World Talkers Interview Bobby Cody


The World Talkers podcast recently interviewed Bobby Cody. If you’ve visited Evermore, you might know Bobby better as Jardani and/or Dmitri. This is one of my all-time favorite episodes of World Talkers thus far and they have given me permission to reproduce the transcript here on Evermore Fans!

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Chandler: Welcome adventurers both young and old. If you’re looking to find a place where immortal witches, portal-jumping scientists, and adorable baby knights collide, then you’re in the right place. A magical adventure unlike any you have experienced before, as World Talkers, an unofficial Evermore fancast, is about to begin.

Chandler: Welcome back, everyone, to World Talkers, an unofficial Evermore fancast. We have a very special surprise for you today. Joining me is my cohost, Wyatt.

Wyatt: Hey you guys.

Chandler: We are super excited. It’s just us two today, but we are joined by a very special guest. Would you like to go ahead and introduce yourself?

Bobby Cody: Hi, I’m Bobby Cody.

Chandler: And Bobby, you are actually a person in the park, correct?


Bobby Cody: Yeah, that’s correct.

Chandler: And what do you do there? What’s your title? What’s your position at Evermore?

Bobby Cody: Originally an actor, but recently I am a writer now for story development, and I’m also assistant for technical development, too, mainly focused on audio.

Chandler: Awesome. You have your hands on a lot of things, then.

Bobby Cody: Yeah. Now I do.

Chandler: Good. Also, congratulations on the promotion or the new job.

Bobby Cody: Woop woop. Yeah.

Chandler: There you go. We’ve heard a lot of great things coming from … We’re friends with some of your old D&D pals, so they are really excited, and we are excited as well to see what you bring there.

Bobby Cody: Yeah. I am too. It’s amazing, such an amazing team. Everyone at Evermore is just so creative and just phenomenal to work with, and so just to be in the room creating is just … I don’t know, kind of the highlight of this season for me.

Chandler: Good, good.

Bobby Cody: Among other things.

Chandler: Yeah. And those are some of the things that we want to talk about today, especially. We want to talk about your past experience, and also your experience being an actor in Evermore. We’ve always had a connection with your character, Jardani, from the beginning, and that’s why when we were like, “Oh, our first cast interview, who do we want?” we honestly thought of you because of our special interactions.

Bobby Cody: I’m so honored. I love you guys.

Chandler: Good.

Bobby Cody: I listen to you guys religiously.

Chandler: Thank you so very much.

Wyatt: Aw, that’s so nice. That’s really sweet.

Chandler: So first of all, taking a step back from your character obviously … But how do you explain what Evermore Park is to your friends, your family? Do you have a-

Bobby Cody: It depends on who I’m talking to. If I’m talking to other theater people, which is a lot of my background, I usually just drop things like Sleep No More and thinks like that.

Chandler: The show in New York, correct?

Bobby Cody: Yeah. And so it’s like, it’s similar to that but where Sleep No More you can touch everything but the actors, it’s a little different at Evermore. And so I think you’re even encouraged to not touch the actors at Evermore as well, but also you can’t touch props and a lot of those kinds of things, too, so there’s a lot of hands off, which is a little different from Sleep No More. But it’s definitely an immersive theatrical experience that is set in a high fantasy world. Then when they’re like, “Huh?” I go, “It’s like live action Skyrim,” and the go, “Oh, cool.”

Wyatt: I think that’s actually a really great way to explain it. I never thought of it like that. That’s hilarious.

Chandler: Well, good. And you have been actually on the Evermore team for how long now?

Bobby Cody: On the 27th of this month, of July, it was my one-year anniversary with them.

Chandler: Oh, there you go.

Wyatt: Congrats. That’s awesome.

Bobby Cody: So I’ve been from the beginning for the actors.

Wyatt: So, in the development of Evermore, when Evermore was being created, did you join the … what is it? Not the roster, but when they were calling for actors, is that when you started in? Or were you involved in the Evermore process long before that?

Bobby Cody: Well, this is a crazy story.

Chandler: Oh, let’s hear it. Let’s get into it.

Bobby Cody: First, how this all happened, I teach an art course at the university and my wife actually called me on my lunch and she was like, “Do you know about this Evermore thing?” And I was like, “Ever what?” And she was like, “It’s crazy right now.” And I was like, “No.” She’s like, “All right, I’m going to send you a link. Just check it out.” I was like, “Okay.” In that same lunch break, four other friends from totally different walks …

Chandler: Oh my gosh.

Bobby Cody: … all called me during that break and they were sending me messages and they were like, “Evermore, Evermore, Evermore,” and I’m like, “What is Evermore?”

Chandler: I think that’s always what happens. You’re blasted with everything Evermore and you’re like, “What is this?” until you find out.

Bobby Cody: What is it? And so initially I was thinking, “Oh this is just a haunt,” and I was like, “Mm-mm (negative), I don’t want to.” I have friends who work in the haunt industry and I was like, “Yeah, not my cup of tea.” But then I watched the video with Dave and MaryAnn … Dave who does a lot of the armor and stuff in the workshop, and MaryAnn who was the head costumer at the time … and I was like, “I know MaryAnn,” but I knew her mainly local. So I was like, “Well, she’s really good, so …” And then what sold me is I just finished watching a season of Face Off and it was where Logan had come back for a second time in Face Off and when I saw that Logan Long was a part of the project, I was like, “All right, I’m in.” It didn’t matter. I didn’t care if it was a haunt or anything at that point. I was like, “If that creative mind is attached to this, then I’ll check it out.”

Chandler: See, I’ve seen maybe one, two episodes of … Face Off, correct?

Bobby Cody: Face Off, yeah, yeah.

Chandler: I need to watch more of it because Logan was on there.

Bobby Cody: I’m a crazy, crazy fan. Yeah.

Chandler: That’s so great.

Bobby Cody: And his mentor was my favorite when her season was up, too, so I was just already … I was like, “This is tied to some really, really amazing people, really brilliant creative minds,” and so I was like, “How can I pass it up?” And then I found out that auditions were done.

Chandler: Oh wow.

Wyatt: Oh really?

Bobby Cody: Yeah. And so by the time I was like, “Oh no.” I was like, “I missed it.” So I emailed them and I said, “Hey, I’m on this other project right now. I can’t make it in or anything. Would it be okay if I sent a video audition?” Then I kind of … I was still on the fence, and then finally one Sunday I was just like, “All right, fine. I’m going to do it.” And so I did two monologues for them, one from King Lear. It’s when Lear is carrying Cordelia and he’s doing his howl, which is one of my favorite monologues to do, and it’s just heartbreaking. And it’s Shakespeare, and so it fits the classical kind of motif that they’re looking for. Then the other one, I did Cyrano de Bergerac, and it’s the scene in the bar where the guy’s talking about his big nose, so he just makes all these jokes about having a big nose like, “Oh, you could have done this better.” But I did that, I think, in 12 different accents.

Chandler: Oh.

Wyatt: Oh, nice.

Bobby Cody: And I kept changing each one, and I’m hoping that that was the one they were like, “All right, we need to hire this guy.” So even though I missed auditions, they invited me back for callbacks. So I went in for callbacks and had no idea that I was going to be competing against 200-plus other actors in this part of Utah. Because I’m more a Salt Lake performer, and so I’d never had the opportunity, and so it was all these new people. I had no idea the talent that was down here, too, which was super interesting.

Wyatt: Well, I didn’t realize it was so competitive. I didn’t realize the audition process was so …

Bobby Cody: It was crazy.

Wyatt: … crazy like that.

Bobby Cody: Yeah, it was like cattle call. It almost felt like auditioning for something in New York for a big musical or something, because there were just so many people. It was a bit overwhelming at first.

Wyatt: Wow.

Chandler: Wow, that is incredible.

Wyatt: That’s wild.

Chandler: Way to go, Evermore, for getting the word out.

Wyatt: And well done for you. Nice job. Way to beat out the crowd.

Chandler: And were you originally going for … I mean, how does the audition process work, if you wouldn’t mind kind of walking us through that?

Bobby Cody: No. So what we ended up doing is we all kind of showed up. They ran us through a bunch of different kinds of scenarios and exercises, just to kind of see how well we played with each other, and so that was kind of interesting. I started realizing, “Oh, they’re looking for chemistry, and so they’re trying to see how all of us interact.” That was really fun. Christian actually ran us through some pretty interesting scenarios. And I knew Christian because of kind of his local fame. He did a Fruit Ninja video forever ago and I loved that thing, and so I was like, “I want to work with this guy, because this guy just looks like he has a lot of fun.” And to see him in there, part of casting, that was amazing.

Bobby Cody: After they did that, they kind of ran us through probably … Oh man, it had to be about an hour, almost hour and a half, and then they put us in groups of eight and we had to go in just like traditional casting. The casting table was there, they’d hand us a side, they’d ask us to read the side. Lucas was there, and Lucas handed me my side and he said, “Can you do this in a gypsy accent?” And I was like, “Romanian, Bulgarian?” And he was like, “Romanian,” and I was like, “Oh, of course. Absolutely.” It was this interesting little piece about putting your hand … In France they have the mouth where you put your hand in to check your fear, and so it was this whole character, which I didn’t even know at the time was the idea of Jardani before they even had really fully created what they wanted Jardani to be. I think in that moment, they were like, “Yep, there’s our fortune teller.”

Chandler: “Got him. That’s him.”

Bobby Cody: And what they didn’t know is that I’ve actually … When I was much younger, I was a runaway when I was a teenager, and so I grew up kind of … During that time, I was living on the streets and stuff, and that’s how I ended up learning how to read cards, and that’s a whole other story. I don’t know if you guys want to hear that one.

Chandler: Oh, so do.

Wyatt: Yeah, we definitely want to hear that.

Chandler: We’ll come back to that one.

Wyatt: We have a couple questions about the cards.

Bobby Cody: Yeah, yeah. And so I’ve been reading ever since I was a teenager, and I’ve actually played gypsy characters. About every five to six years, someone usually approaches me to play some kind of fortune teller, and I was like, “Oh great, here we go again. I’m going to be another fortune teller.” But little did I know.

Chandler: Little did you know that.

Bobby Cody: It would be the greatest fortune teller I’ve ever played.

Wyatt: It’s certainly our favorite, that’s for sure.

Bobby Cody: Yeah. And to be able to play a character like that … I’ve mainly cast as villains or an antagonist in everything that I’ve played for decades, and to be able to play this fun-loving kind of bon vivant kind of character, I was like, “Yeah, I’m there.”

Chandler: Let’s do it, yeah. That’s so great. That’s so great. Oh my goodness, so many questions here.

Bobby Cody: Oh yeah, yeah.

Wyatt: Now you just kind of opened up the can of worms.

Chandler: I don’t know what to start on. But just your background as an actor, and we’ll come to the cards and everything a little bit later. But how much experience … It sounds like you have a lot of experience. I don’t personally have any experience, so some of those words and whatnot, I can kind of assume. But what’s your background as an actor, and how is that different from acting as an Evermore character?

Bobby Cody: Oh man. Classically trained, so cut my teeth mainly in theater with Shakespeare … a lot of Shakespeare early in my teens and 20s. There wasn’t a lot of roles for someone of my ethnicity, and most people would not want to cast me for things … Like in The Crucible just doesn’t make sense unless I’m Tituba, which, that’s a weird call, too. A lot of theater at that time was very Caucasian-driven stories, and so occasionally I would get a Langston Hughes play, which was funny because I was in Tambourines to Glory and I got cast as an Irish cop. So I was just like, “Okay. So we have all this ethnicity, but yet now I’m going to play a Caucasian. So okay.”

Chandler: All right.

Bobby Cody: That was mainly a lot of it. A lot of my background is theater. I studied using Meisner technique for two of the intensives for a little while. I didn’t finish the third one. I think I had got what I needed from it. And then I studied with Chubbuck, kind of going over The Power of the Actor, which I think is an absolutely brilliant book minus one chapter in there, just because I just don’t agree with that technique. Then what I realized is you kind of need a toolbox as an actor, and you have to know which tool to use in the right moment in the right time.

Bobby Cody: Also, in the early 90s, I was helping with the development of a gaming company at the time called White Wolf Studios, and they were creating Vampire: The Masquerade. And in Vampire: The-

Chandler: That’s how I know that one.

Bobby Cody: Yeah. And so Vampire: The Masquerade, they released this box set for a LARP … and this was like no one knew what LARP was then. And so we went crazy with it. We had a LARP in our city that was 200 to 300 players.

Chandler: Oh my goodness.

Wyatt: Golly.

Bobby Cody: We then coordinated … Very much it’s the need, and so we then started finding out Montgomery, Alabama had a group, Memphis, Tennessee had a group, Knoxville, Tennessee had a group, and so we started … Through conventions, we were all meeting each other and we started coordinating this massive whole Southeastern thing …

Chandler: Goodness.

Bobby Cody: … that was called the International Conclave Convention, which is now international. It’s actually international now. Then it was just like, “It’s just a bunch of crazy Southerners down there.”

Chandler: Calling it international.

Bobby Cody: Yeah. Trying to pretend we’re international, yeah. And so it was great. And a lot of the stuff that we were working on and developing then, I think, really prepared me a lot for what I was walking into at Evermore. Because Evermore is a beast. It’s so different than anything an actor ever has to ever do, I think.

Chandler: And why is that? Why is the difference there? I’m sure there are millions of reasons.

Bobby Cody: Yeah. Okay, so in a play, in a film, in anything that’s scripted, you know everything that your character knows. Unless you’re one of those actors that are like, “No, I only need to know the page I’m doing today.” But you can either approach a part whole or whole part, and I do whole part because I like to know the beginning, the end, and the middle, where my character is at at certain points, the opinions of other people of my character in those different phases. Evermore, you don’t know, because each night your interactions can steer the story into other directions. And the World Walkers have such a huge impact on how that’s being kind of driven, and being in dialect for … Our first season, I was doing a almost nine-hour day five, six days a week for Season of Lore, and I was not prepared. I was not prepared to stay in dialect that long. And so much that then I was dreaming in dialect, I was talking in my sleep in dialect. I yelled at my cats in dialect. I was like, “Loki, what did you do?” It was crazy.

Bobby Cody: So that was such a crazy thing. I’d never … and for that long. And now here it is a year playing the same character. Sometimes it’s like, where do I turn it off? I can turn off the character, but the accent is just so … It’s actually easier to speak as the character than it is as myself, and so it’s very weird.

Chandler: That is so cool. At that point, it’s kind of like, “What do I actually sound like?” For doing it so long.

Bobby Cody: Yeah. Well, and I’ve changed my accent a lot. I grew up in the Deep South. I had grew up with very backwoods kind of swampy, redneck-y kind of family and stuff. Then consciously in my teens changed my accent to do more radio stuff like music radio, disc jockey stuff, and you have to have a certain voice for that, right?

Chandler: Right.

Bobby Cody: And I had to work my Southern accent out, to the point that other Southerners go, “You’re not from here,” and I’m like, “Yeah, I am.”

Chandler: “Yeah, I am actually.”

Bobby Cody: “I grew up here.”

Chandler: “Was raised over there, thanks.”

Bobby Cody: Yeah. It was like, you know that really, really backwoods place that no one else knows except locals? That’s where I’m from.

Chandler: “That’s me,” right.

Wyatt: That’s impressive.

Chandler: Very impressive.

Wyatt: That’s awesome.

Bobby Cody: It’s crazy.

Chandler: So you’ve started and you have been working with your voice for a long, long time. I personally have always found it super interesting, voice actors and everything. How do you get started? How does that even happen? I mean …

Bobby Cody: I think just being a kid, I did a lot of imitation and mimicking things. I think the advantage for me is I have an Asian mother, I have a Southern redneck father, and then there’s so much of this … I had an uncle from Philly, and so I would imitate my family members a lot, just kind of to my other cousins and my sister, and we’d just laugh because I’d be making fun of the adults around us. Then I just kind of grew from that to cartoon characters and things like that. I never thought anything would ever come of it. Even in my teens, I’d let go of a lot of that. I’d do a lot of impressions of comedians, and I stole so many comedians’ jokes by watching Evening at the Improv and stuff like that. That’s where I began to learn comedic timing and all those things that I didn’t even realize I was learning those, like social cues and how to do that, until way later in life. After college I was like, “Oh yeah, I’ve been doing this my whole life.”

Chandler: “Oh, I actually know how to do this.” That sounds really cool.

Bobby Cody: “That’s why I’ve been successful.”

Chandler: So to kind of put a number on it, I mean, how many voices, how many accents can you do? Also, do you speak other languages? What-

Bobby Cody: My French is [French 00:19:53]. I did Latin and French. I did two years of French in high school. I did a year of Latin in high school. What I learned is that … I did Latin before I did French, and Latin has helped me with all the romance languages. And so even when I moved out here, I’d never spoken Spanish or been really exposed to Spanish until I moved out West, and coming out here, I started reading signs and I was like, “Wait, how do I know how to read this language that I’ve never read or seen before?” And it was like, “Oh, Latin. Yes.”

Chandler: Got it.

Bobby Cody: Yeah, “That’s where it’s coming from.” And French, of course, helps a little bit. With French, on Duolingo I’m a level 20 if that means anything, out of 25. Not as conversational as I would like, but it’s really tough to be immersed in French language in Utah. Very difficult.

Chandler: That makes sense.

Wyatt: That’s true.

Bobby Cody: I should be working on Spanish. I play a lot of Spanish and Hispanic characters, and so usually what I end up doing … because it’s scripted, it’s so easy to note how I should say this vowel or how I should say this word, so I can even write out phonetically what I’m saying and how I should say it. And then usually what I bring in is a dialect coach to help me, which is just one of my Hispanic friends or something like that, who’s either in theater or just a friend of mine, to kind of help me get it right. Because it’s very different, too. Mexican Spanish is different from Puerto Rican or Cuban, and so I didn’t even realize that. I was like, “Oh yeah, well, they have accents, too. Of course.”

Chandler: So cool.

Bobby Cody: Yeah. And so dialect wise or accent wise, I’ve done so many. It’s weird because it’s like I kind of have to either rehearse or train myself to get into the accent. Usually you’ll have a phrase or something that you say, and if you say the phrase, it’s the right thing. Like my New York one is, “I never want to leave this park in my entire life,” and “park.” And so it’s like-

Chandler: It triggers it.

Bobby Cody: Yeah, it triggers, and so you can get into that kind of dialect where you … It’s like, “Oh, but what part of New York am I from? Am I from Long Island?” which this could kind of be a little more Long Island, but maybe a little faster. Or I’m from Queens where I’m a little more nasally and everything I’m saying is like, “Oy, I just don’t know what I’m doing.” Or I’m from Manhattan where everything is very fast and everything is like, “We’re in a hurry and we got to go,” and you can barely hear a little bit of the accent in there. Or from the Bronx where it’s like, “Oh, you know? I’m working on the docks and I’m trying to do some stuff. Yeah.” I love doing the New York because I have family up there. Really seeing how, burrough to burrough … which is so bizarre to me, that you’re just blocks away and it sounds like a different country almost.

Chandler: So much history and so much culture involved in those dialects.

Bobby Cody: Absolutely. And you want to be respectful, too. In no way do I want to be making fun of it. I want to be honoring it. I’ve done Lebanese, Egyptian … which was interesting, because the Lebanese, when I was learning to do a Lebanese accent, I had actual guys on the Utah campus that were from Lebanon and they wanted to hear it. I was like, “Hey guys, you mind if I try my accent on you?” And so I start talking and they start laughing so hard and they’re like, “No, you’re Egyptian. You sound so Egyptian.” And I was like, “Well, help me. Help me.” So every night after this rehearsal … I was working on a play during the time called Ruined, this amazing Pulitzer Prize-winning play by Lynn Nottage. And I played such a slimy character in this and I wanted to do him justice. So every night that I would leave rehearsals, I’d cross these guys at this frat, and it was a frat for these Middle Eastern guys. They’d be outside, they’d have a big hookah and everything and they’d have this mound of rice and they’d like, “Come, Bobby, come on.”

Bobby Cody: It was just awesome. I felt blessed in that moment because I was trying to find that dialect and the accent so desperately. Then just, boom, there it is.

Chandler: There they are.

Bobby Cody: My walk to the train, those guys just happened to be on that path.

Chandler: Wow, that is so great.

Bobby Cody: Serendipitous. It happens to me quite a bit. I think a lot of people hate me for it. It’s like, “Oh, it just fell in your lap, huh?”

Chandler: Just fell in your lap.

Bobby Cody: Kind of.

Chandler: Looks like not only is Jardani tied to the fates and everything, but so is Bobby, then.

Bobby Cody: Yeah. Well, the fates like me. They’re not too fond of Jardani.

Chandler: Oh, there you go, there you go.

Wyatt: Speaking of the fates, you mentioned card reading growing up and you were learning that process. How intricate is that process? How long did it take you to learn how to read cards, and how to read people in a sense?

Bobby Cody: In the beginning, I did read people. I don’t do that anymore. I try not to. It’s evolved over time, but … Let’s see. Now I’ve got to figure out age. 35 years? So about 35 years I’ve been doing it.

Wyatt: Wow.

Bobby Cody: It was really difficult in the beginning because I learned tarot first, and tarot’s 78 cards, each of the cards have a upright and a reverse meaning, and each of those meanings could be anywhere from 30 to 40 meanings for the upright to the reverse. So you’re looking at 80 possibilities for every card, and that was too much. My wife helped me a lot, too. Her interest in it and her need to … She’s kind of brilliant in the way that she always tries to figure out the formula of everything. I’m married to this wonderfully nerdy science girl who believes in universal theory and that anything can be turned into a formula. And so we’d begin breaking it down, like really, what is the … And as you test it every day, we started going through the process of eliminating, like, “No, it doesn’t mean that, doesn’t mean that.” And so we kind of got it down to the core of what the cards are.

Bobby Cody: Then, you find the right imagery that fits that interpretation because you can see the story in the image rather than trying to remember all this. And then it becomes about how do you present this. Yeah, sure, I could read the book interpretation, but how do I apply it to the person that it’s front of me? And so there’s a little bit of … I don’t know if you’d call that a bedside manner or something like that. I’ve done a lot of different things from runes … Runes don’t take too long. They’re not very complex. How they fall is important, but the actual individual meanings is not as much. It’s more of where it falls, and that’s a lot of things people don’t even understand is like a quadrant. And so depending on where they hit in that quadrant will determine what the warrior means for you in this particular aspect.

Bobby Cody: Then with Evermore, I’ve never done fortune cards before. Again, credit to my wife. I said, “I really want a cool set of cards,” because Lore was very dark. Not for the fact of the story or the season, just because we didn’t have a lot of lights. And so I was like, “I need big cards with big images at least,” that people even in the dark or low light, they can still see. And so she went crazy Googling and she was like, “I found these cards,” and I fell in love with them. So I started working with them and … First off, these fortune cards there’s only 48, so that’s 30 less cards I have to memorize. And then it was just amazing. They’re so intuitive. I have never experienced … even with reading tarot. Tarot can get very creepily specific, and these cards almost without effort bring out that level of specificity. I hate that word.

Chandler: Exactly.

Bobby Cody: But yeah. And so Evermore is the first time I started using these cards.

Chandler: Wow.

Wyatt: I don’t think we would have noticed, because every time you’ve given us readings, we were like, “Man, how did he know? How did he know?”

Bobby Cody: Yeah. They’re so good. They really are. And I think a lot of it is the character, too. If I try to do readings as Bobby, it’s not quite as romantic or entertaining.

Chandler: That actually quite blows my mind. So if I’m understanding you correctly, you’re bringing at least some actual tarot reading, fortune reading. Is there a difference between the two, first and foremost?

Bobby Cody: Mostly, yeah. I mean, they still kind of follow the same principles and everything, but the cards are different. The meanings of the cards are different, too.

Chandler: So you’re bringing your background into this whole atmosphere to give these super accurate readings. I mean-

Bobby Cody: Which was crazy. So for the people who are involved with Evermore with me coming in as an actor, I was like, “Oh, it’s crazy you cast me as the fortune teller,” I said, “because I so happen to read tarot cards.” And they were like, “What?” And then I started doing readings for people and they were like, “Whoa, you’re legit.”

Chandler: Like, “This is really cool.”

Bobby Cody: It really freaked them out in the beginning. And what I loved is Mandy, who plays one of the … she’s played quite a few characters in the park. When we did the FanX events last year, so before the park even opened, she came to me. She was kind of my first Evermore friend. I was just kind of lost and she came up to me and she said, “You’re the fortune teller right?” and I was like, “Yeah.” She’s like, “Would it be weird if I …” I said, “Yeah, ask for a reading?” She said, “No, no, no, no. If I ask for my character to have a reading.” And I was like, “We could do that.” Then as her character, Marnie during the time, she thought of a question for her …

Chandler: Yeah, I remember-

Bobby Cody: … and then I’d lay the cards down, and we were both blown away. We were like, “Oh my gosh, this is great.” And so then before we knew it, lots of characters were like, “Do a reading for me. I need a character reading. I don’t even know what I’m doing with my character.” And it was great. I think Lee was there, too, and so I did one for Suds. That was kind of our trifecta in the beginning, because I think we were the only three actors there that particular day, that first day, at FanX, the comic con thing. It kind of solidified the bond between the three of us, and so we’ve all been very tight throughout the seasons.

Chandler: That’s so great. And that’s actually something we’ve seen, especially during Mythos, is Jardani and Dmitri and some of the other characters have even started doing more readings for other characters within the park. Does that somewhat trace back to these beginning moments?

Bobby Cody: Absolutely. Well, we then started realizing that we have to be careful who I read for. I don’t know if you guys were there, but during Aurora, a World Walker said, “You need to come and read for Wikam.” And as I started reading for Wikam, there was a point where the actor or the character was like, “That’s enough.”

Chandler: Oh wow.

Bobby Cody: He had to stop me because too much story was being revealed and he was like, “Okay, we need to stop.” The night that I did the reading for Clara and for Suds, I brought my tarot cards that night and the whole time I’m there, I’m shuffling the cards like, “Please just tell the story, please just tell the story.” In my head I’m like, “Please just …” because I don’t preset anything. I just let the cards do whatever they want to do.

Chandler: This is so much fun.

Bobby Cody: And that’s the fun of it.

Chandler: Hold on. You’re telling me that for those tableau moments …

Bobby Cody: Absolutely.

Chandler: … where we’re all standing around watching, those are not preset decks?

Bobby Cody: No. Not at all. Everything is right there in the moment. It absolutely is, which is what blows most people’s minds.

Chandler: Yeah, that’s kind of freaky.

Bobby Cody: Yeah, so we as the cast, after every night that I do those kinds of readings, when we are getting out of wardrobe and getting out of makeup, everyone is just like, “Oh my God.” They’re freaking out. They’re like, “How do your cards keep doing it?”

Chandler: You’re like, “I don’t know.”

Bobby Cody: Exactly. Yeah. I was like, “Well, they’re going to tell the story that needs to be told.” What was so crazy is if you could go back and actually look at that reading from Lore, it actually sets up everything even until now in Mythos.

Chandler: No it does not.

Bobby Cody: Yeah. It really is crazy. Because I did a massive spread. I did a 15-card spread for Suds then, and the first part was just mainly talking about Fergus and all of that stuff, and then it got into more current where it was talking about how to win her hand in marriage. But then it also got into, “Here are going to be the repercussions.”

Chandler: Oh my goodness.

Bobby Cody: It was during that season that the wolf among us and the wolf in sheep’s clothing appeared all the way back in Lore, and so it’s been carried on. It’s been carried on throughout all the seasons.

Chandler: So this is something that we’ve had … We know a little bit of the inner workings of the park and how the way in which you have told the story and everything has changed, I believe. But that is amazing to hear that. I obviously don’t know how much, but there are at least some elements that started way back in Lore. You were telling us that the idea for even your Dmitri character …

Bobby Cody: Oh yeah.

Chandler: … way back in Lore.

Bobby Cody: Absolutely.

Chandler: That has always been his name, and that you’ve had these-

Bobby Cody: It was crazy because … So Romanian is what they wanted, Hungarian, Romanian, and so I began working that dialect very, very hard. But then I was like, “I want to keep this job, and if I’m a spooky, creepy fortune teller, people won’t want to approach me other than just to get their fortune read.” And so I think it was our third rehearsal. They did a round robin kind of thing where it’s like, “All right, we’re going to go around and you’re going to stand up and you’re going to say your character name in your preferred accent and introduce yourself.” And so the whole time I’m waiting. I’m like, “Okay, all right.” And then I stand up and then French comes out and I was like, “I am Jardani,” and I said, “I am the kind of the gypsies,” and then I sat down and I was like, “Why did I say it in French?”

Bobby Cody: I was like, “Okay, well …” I kind of just trusted it. I trusted in that moment. It was like, there’s a reason that came out instead of what I’d been rehearsing for two, three weeks up to that point just to prepare for it. So I was like, “Okay, he’s French apparently, and now let’s try and explain that. And why waste all my work on this Romanian?” And so thus the Dmitrius Jardani was born.

Chandler: Love that.

Wyatt: We were commenting, even the Jardani and Dmitri switch where you’re kind of mixing the accents threw us for a loop. We were like, “Oh, it’s just so subtle. It’s just so subtle and Bobby just has such a mastery of the dialects that it’s so hard to determine, is he Dmitri right now or is he Jardani? Or is he Dmitri pretending to be Jardani?” We had no idea.

Bobby Cody: Well, the fun thing, too, is that Jardani can’t do an imitation of Dmitri, but Dmitri does an imitation of Jardani.

Chandler: That has been something as frequent goers … And we’ve really been enjoying looking for that, but I’m sure that’s something really cool for people who don’t go as often. When they get one accent that’s different and they’re like, “Wait, what? I’m so confused.” And then going on the Facebook pages and whatnot, actually seeing why that was or digging into that. I think that’s been an excellent way to get people into that deeper story like we’ve talked about.

Bobby Cody: Yeah. It’s crazy, too, because we had some characters in Lore that were kind of like that, that were torn, and I was so terrified of bringing that forward with my character that I started having doubts in Aurora like, “Maybe no one really knows enough about me. Maybe we can change some things.” But I was like, “No, there’s stuff out there, so just let it be. Maybe nothing will ever happen with it.” And here comes Mythos.

Chandler: And then here it is.

Wyatt: Yeah, and here it is right now.

Chandler: That’s so amazing. I know there are multiple characters and whatnot with Suds and a couple of other characters that have been the returning ones every season. You actually were the only gypsy or fortune teller that has remained, right?

Bobby Cody: Which is crazy.

Chandler: Yeah. I mean, we loved those characters during Lore and we hope that we at least see some of them come back.

Bobby Cody: Yeah, Kat and Penny were amazing.

Wyatt: Oh yeah.

Bobby Cody: Huge shoutout to those girls, because story wise, I had lost my compania and so it was really cool to be making a new compania in that moment and them knowing … well Kat especially knowing that Jardani’s a little different, and so it was really fun to play where it was.

Chandler: It was really fun.

Bobby Cody: Penny was clueless and then we kept her kind of clueless. So great.

Chandler: And what has your experience been with Evermore? I mean, returning as the same character, has that been something that you’ve been really excited to-

Bobby Cody: No, I was so disappointed. As an actor, you just want to embody as many different characters as you can. It’s like, “Let me show you my range.” And I think I was just being spoiled. I was like, “I already played this character,” and I was trapped in a tent most of Lore.

Chandler: Yes, with a quite long line that you could not …

Bobby Cody: Yeah, it was insane. No.

Chandler: There was one point when we were like, “Hey, we want our cards read,” and you were like, “Okay, but I have to use the restroom.”

Bobby Cody: I know. That was the craziest thing.

Chandler: You were like-

Bobby Cody: I couldn’t even-

Wyatt: Oh, come on.

Chandler: Come on. Don’t be human right now.

Bobby Cody: I know.

Chandler: Just be with us.

Bobby Cody: If they gave me a little canteen behind there I probably would have. I was so hardcore about it. And it was funny, too, because Cammie and Chris, they were kind of our watchers and our handlers and they would get onto me. They were like, “You have to take a break, you have to take a break.” And I was just like, “But the line, it never ends so I feel bad.” Everyone paid money to come and experience this. I’m going to give them the experience. And then there’s a point where you have to-

Chandler: You have to be a person, too.

Bobby Cody: And they tried figuring out everything. They gave me a sign to put down. That didn’t work. They had other characters emergency pull me out. I think the goblins pulled me out like, “Oh no, there’s trouble.” The faeries, they were like, “Help us, Jardani.”

Chandler: “Help us.”

Bobby Cody: Yeah. It was like, “And this is just me going to the bathroom.”

Wyatt: And then the crowd would just follow you, right?

Bobby Cody: A lot.

Wyatt: And then they’d just follow you.

Bobby Cody: A lot of them would until I went into our little hidden tents. And then I would have people waiting for me to come out of the tent.

Chandler: I’m not going to say that we didn’t.

Wyatt: We might have been one of those people.

Chandler: Because there were times when-

Bobby Cody: It’s cool to play a character that’s that wanted.

Chandler: There were times when we would be like, “Okay, he’s the only one that has this information,” or whatnot on a quest line, “But we also don’t want to wait for 45 minutes,” or whatever it would have been.

Bobby Cody: Oh yeah, because I was the Blackheart finale. And then I ended up becoming the knights’ finale, too.

Chandler: Right, and that was interesting in it’s own right. But just having you there and then we would see you going past us just alone. We were like, “We have to get him. We have to corner him.” And we apologize right now if we’ve ever done that to anyone else, just so you know. Because we have, unfortunately, and hopefully we haven’t come off as-

Bobby Cody: It was so different in Lore, too, because we were stationed. We didn’t have a lot of roaming area. We weren’t free to do … Which I am so grateful that during Aurora, they opened it up now. And now for Mythos, I just absolutely … For my character … I can’t speak for everyone else’s character … but being a roaming character now is so much more rewarding than being stuck in a tent with 100 people waiting to see you.

Wyatt: Absolutely.

Chandler: And we’ve also seen that with having individual conversations about other things other than just our fortune. It seemed like, especially during Lore, that’s kind of what your main thing was, was just the fortunes. And I’m sure you get that a lot, even still, people coming and-

Bobby Cody: Yeah. I make them work for it now. Back then, I was just like, “No, everyone gets a free reading.” We didn’t even have currency during Lore. When we went into Lore, the idea was it was supposed to be this linear thing and we tried it and then that kind of fell apart because clearly people wanted … And even when we were in rehearsal, we were like …

Chandler: You felt that.

Bobby Cody: … “We should be doing this more free, not everything being kind of forced into following A, B, C, D, E, F, G.” But at the time, we were at the mercy of the powers that be, and so we did what they wanted and that ended up kind of not working because the fans, some of the World Walkers, wanted what they want. There were bales of hay that they moved out of the way so they could just start free roaming. They’re like, “I don’t want to do the haunts.”

Wyatt: I think we did that.

Chandler: We didn’t move any out of the way, but we definitely stepped over.

Bobby Cody: Stepped over them, yeah, yeah. I watch that happen a lot during the night, like, “I don’t want to go through the haunt but I want to go play with the characters.”

Wyatt: Oh yeah.

Chandler: That’s-

Bobby Cody: It’s different for everyone.

Chandler: It is.

Bobby Cody: There’s some people who definitely want to do the haunts, but during that time it seemed like, “Oh, we already did it so let’s go and see what else the park has to offer.”

Wyatt: Could you give us a couple of tips for World Walkers as they come and talk to characters? What are some things that-

Bobby Cody: Engage.

Wyatt: Engage.

Bobby Cody: Big time. My biggest thing is … I mean, I know it’s tough because all of us can be a little socially awkward, especially in this day and age where it’s easier just to talk through our phones than to the person next to us. But it’s one of those things. You guys say it a lot, too. What you put in is what you get back. I was saying that kind of during Lore as well. Especially during Aurora, I kind of serve more as a tutorial during Aurora. It’s like, “Come to the tavern,” and I’d give them the spiel. And I remember talking about, “Oh, well what you have here is more of the appetizers, so the scavenger hunts and stuff like this, this will kind of get you into it.”

Bobby Cody: And I said, “But the real meal is talking to us, engaging us, and asking us more than just, ‘Do you have gold for me?'” Which became a huge annoyance for a lot of us because people would just come up and not even … no social interaction other than, “Hey, I want gold. Hey, give me silver.” And so we would like, “Are you robbing me?” I would spin it all kinds of ways, but some actors got very frustrated by that. And even some actors got frustrated when people were like, “Hey, you have a quest?” But we are kind of in a video game, so …

Wyatt: It’s this weird boundary to walk on.

Bobby Cody: And it’s tough because a lot of us didn’t know what to expect. Many of them come from a theater background, and in theater, again, you know all the things that’s going to happen to your character, what’s going to, and being so free like that in this improvisational kind of setting that’s still guided, for an actor as seasoned as me, it’s difficult. When I realize that, “Oh, wow, I’m starting to break,” I then think about all these poor other new actors who are like … oh, they probably shattered long ago. I’m like, “Oh, I should have turned around and reached a hand out like, ‘Hey, I can help you.'” And so it’s kind of crazy. It definitely is.

Chandler: As someone who goes, sometimes we often forget that you are not just an NPC and that you have hopes and dreams and a backstory that you, as an actor, have created and thought about for …

Bobby Cody: Oh, absolutely.

Chandler: … so long, I’m sure.

Bobby Cody: Man, it’s so many layers. Just talking with the other actors and the characters, you just kind of get lost. I have a fun time being a character in the story learning about the other characters in the story. Because the brilliance of Sherri and Shipley is that it’s about discovery, and so even as our characters, we have to discover the new citizens, the new people who come through the portal, and determine … Some of us … in particular, there’s certain characters like Aden and Caderyn, they’re some of the eternals, so we kind of jokingly call those characters … We’ve all been friends for millennia, and so there’s those moments where the three of us have gotten together and gone, “Okay, so where’d it all begin with us?”

Bobby Cody: But then you have the pig farmer, who it’s like, “Do I really care about the pig farmer?” And then you start to find out, “Oh, no, he’s got this whole crazy story, too, that’s going on with him,” which could just be something as simple as getting his wife an anniversary present or something like that.

Wyatt: I always thought it was interesting because every time I go to the park, I’ll go up to a character and say, “Hey, how can I help you out? What’s something I can do?” And usually they’ll send me on a quest to go get information from another character. Like, “Hey, go tell me what their deal is,” or, “Go tell me what they’re up to.” I never had thought that they were actually inquisitive about that person. I usually thought, I was like, “Oh, they already know, because they all know each other. Duh.” But I have never heard of that before that-

Bobby Cody: Yeah, even in rehearsal we get a surface level. And of course, as we’re all developing throughout the story, you start finding your character through the rehearsal. Even through the first couple weeks of performance, you’re still trying to find that right space. But yeah, if you came through Mythos this time like [Knackle 00:47:08], Briar … I don’t know any of those characters and have I yet to actually interact with them as their characters. So me, I have to find out, too. Which makes it fun, so I’m playing, too. That’s why I think the discovery of it is so cool because it’s like, yeah, I may have to be doing this kind of monotonous, kind of rote action by serving as a certain quest point, but there’s wonderful ways to weave it in to find out more about others. A lot of us who have been there for three seasons now, we’ve expanded even further on that where we have our own little secret societies who get this information for us now. And so we’re really learning to use the World Walkers a lot better.

Wyatt: That’s super interesting. I never thought of it like that. That’s wild. That makes me super happy.

Chandler: Yeah, I like hearing that the World Walkers are so much a part of this whole process. You talked about them creating the story and also …

Bobby Cody: So much.

Chandler: … interacting with the characters, whereas sometimes that doesn’t happen unless it’s a tableau or something.

Bobby Cody: Right. And the tableaus are just kind of these story events that happen more like plot points. But the World Walkers influence how those go, too. I thought it was interesting that when my character was about to be poisoned that so many World Walkers came running up going, “Don’t drink it, don’t drink it, don’t drink it, don’t drink it.” It was great, because now World Walkers are starting to get it at the point, like, “Oh, we can engage. I care about this character. If I know this character’s life is in danger, I’m going to save them.” And that blew my mind and I was like, “How do I play with that?”

Chandler: Right, how do you-

Bobby Cody: Because I know what has to happen.

Wyatt: Yeah, you have to disregard that because you know it has to happen.

Chandler: Or select kind of what to go with and what not to.

Bobby Cody: And playing to it is so much more fun, but it’s not always easy. Our motto is, “Yes, and,” or, “No, but.” So we don’t want to ever have red herrings or dead ends for World Walkers, because that’s just a waste of everyone’s time. And so it’s like, how do we always keep the story going? And it’s crazy, because you never know where the story’s going in a lot of ways.

Wyatt: Yeah, definitely.

Bobby Cody: You’re like, “Oh, that point. We’re going to try and get there.” And then it’s like …

Chandler: Like a rollercoaster [inaudible 00:49:35] everything.

Bobby Cody: I’m making all kinds of weird gestures that you guys can’t …

Wyatt: Yeah, his hands were … yeah. But maybe that goes into a question that I kind of wanted to ask you. The idea of the story kind of going everywhere and World Walkers just kind of throwing TNT into it … Just this San Diego Comic-Con, Lee Liston said something interesting where he was saying you and him got together and came up with the idea for the mayoral election.

Bobby Cody: Yeah, during Aurora.

Wyatt: Yeah, during Aurora. And that you guys kind of invented this concept and introduced it in Mythos. I wanted to see how has it gone from your idea and where is it now, and how far is it off of what you thought it was going to be?

Bobby Cody: Oh, it’s so crazy. In Aurora, we were just like, “What do we do?” Because Lee and I, I think we were so used to kind of being a little more in the spotlight during Lore, especially him with the Clara story and with the Blackhearts being right there in the tavern. It was a lot of story in that area. During Aurora, we were just like, “Well, we’re just two tavern owners with nothing to do except deal with these weird Auroran people who seem to be too happy.” And so we were like, “How do we do it?”

Bobby Cody: So we started exploring all kinds of stuff. We’re only limited to our space, and so we started doing the acting where we were actors playing characters who wanted to be actors but were bad at being actors. And so it was inception. And so that was really fun, because we were basically doing what the acting troupe does now, which they do it so much better. Ours was just a need to fill space. And those checklists … We started getting really frustrated with how much the tavern was being congested from everyone waiting to get their one little check mark, and so it was like, “What’s a way we could do it?” And it’s just necessity. A lot of it is like, how do we get them to check five eight checks off by doing one little show and then send them all out to everyone else in the park? And so that’s how that came to be.

Bobby Cody: Then it was during that moment where I was just like, “You know what? These Aurorans are invading our home. They say they’re here for peace, but they’ve brought armies and generals. That doesn’t sound like peace to me.” And Suds was agreeing and I was like, “We need law and order in this town. We need a leader.” And I was like, “You should be mayor.” And then it’s like, “I’ll vote for you for mayor.” Who better for mayor than the heart of Evermore, right? And so that was a lot of fun, the idea. But then the idea just hit the wall and slid off, and so I didn’t think anything was ever going to happen of it. Then Lee pitched it again, I guess during Mythos, and it just kind of took off. Yeah, now Mallory mainly has been mainly in charge of doing that.

Chandler: Has the outcome been different from what you originally thought? Was it supposed to be all of these characters, like anyone could jump into the election?

Bobby Cody: Yeah, that was what was crazy. For me originally, I was like, only Evermorians. Even Jardani is not from Evermore, so I was like, I wouldn’t even be a part of that. And so yeah, that’s what I was thinking initially is, let’s just keep it very centric to the citizens of Evermore. I wasn’t expecting for World Walkers to be able to come in and vote for anyone. The corn over in … is now running for mayor.

Bobby Cody: But what’s fun about that is then I then turned around … When Dmitri was born, I then turned around and said, “Ooh, Dmitri running for mayor.” And I was like, “If I won mayor, there’s no way they could stop me.” But they killed me too fast anyway.

Chandler: That, really, the creative part, sounds like some of the hardest but most rewarding of Evermore, that it really is you all coming together, proposing an idea, and having the participants, the World Walkers, and the writing and staff and everything go all in together to create this amazing thing.

Bobby Cody: Oh yeah. I mean, from emails to face-to-face meetings to text messaging to we have our own groups in social media where it’s just private for us and that we go through. There’s so much that’s being generated. And then also following you guys, following social media and stuff, just kind of seeing what the buzz is, laughing about a lot of the predictions and theories, which are just great. I love looking at the spoiler theories and going, “Wow.” And then of course, there’s moments where you’re like, “Ooh.”

Chandler: “Ooh, they are on to something.”

Bobby Cody: “Someone’s getting close,” yeah, yeah. And so it’s really cool. It’s exciting altogether, and then how to cater to that. It’s like, “Well, I didn’t start playing my character as a bad guy, but everyone seems to think of him as a bad guy so now I have to make some changes.” And so I think that helps with the performances as well.

Chandler: Amazing, amazing. Going along that point that Evermore World Walkers, participants, can affect and change the story. You were saying that oftentimes you will have a place that you’re trying to get to but that the World Walkers can change the story. Is that correct?

Bobby Cody: Absolutely.

Chandler: How much would you … I mean, the whole story and the whole acting process, it’s been explained to us that it is improv almost 100%. Would you agree? Or 75?

Bobby Cody: Yeah, I’d probably go maybe 75, 80% is improv for some actors. Some actors, 100%. So there are just certain nights. It depends. It really depends on the night because there are key actors that will be pulled aside moments before show and be given some top secret stuff.

Chandler: And that has to be frustrating, amazing, and very difficult. Every emotion wrapped into it when you’re just pulled aside moments before and you’re like, “All right. I got to do this now.” It’s like a-

Bobby Cody: Yeah. I had a huge thing dropped on me as I was walking down the hall to exit into the park. It was like, “Oh by the way,” and I was like, “Really?” It’s like, “Okay.” And then you’re processing. You’re then like, “Oh gosh, how am I going to do this?” And so it’s weird because we don’t get that kind of rehearsal, and so if you were able to take the actor and have a good four- or five-hour rehearsal for a particular tableau or scene or anything that you’re doing, you can work out the fact that it’s a rehearsal and it starts to be natural. In order to maintain this sense of organic naturalness that’s in our performances, we have to be shocked and surprised by the information as it’s being delivered to us or not have as much time to process it.

Bobby Cody: So you’re very much in the moment, which I love, because that’s something that is very difficult for actors. When you say, “Be in the moment,” a lot of them are like, “Oh, just in the scene.” It’s like, “No, so in the moment that you don’t even realize you’re performing a scene, that you don’t even realize that there’s cameras and all this stuff around you. That’s what happens for me every time we get into these tableaus and these intense character moments. It’s like tunnel vision, and so I only see the person I’m interacting with. I actually have to turn and … So a good example was in the tavern when Dmitri reveals himself to Suds, and then he forces Jardani to talk to Suds.

Chandler: That was …

Wyatt: We saw that one .

Chandler: … such an intense moment.

Bobby Cody: It’s just me and Lee in the moment. I didn’t even realize that most of the people were there until I turned. And then what was crazy to me is Shipley is in there. He’s over by the piano, and it barely even registered as I pivoted out. And so you get very locked in to what you’re doing that you just kind of … Everyone else kind of disappears in the moment and it’s crazy. And it helps being able to trust your scene partner. I think that’s the biggest thing, is the trust that is between actors and just, like, “Hey, we’ll go wherever we need to go in this moment.” I had a moment with Ser Kilyrie this past weekend where she was just standing in my way and I needed to get to the stairs, and then it turned into this whole ordeal that I was not expecting to happen in that moment and we-

Chandler: I don’t think we caught that one.

Wyatt: Yeah, we didn’t catch that one and I’m really mad now. I really wanted to see that one.

Bobby Cody: Yeah, it was so crazy. And she was just initiating knights, so she had all these knights and she was just like, “Go around.” And I was like, “Seriously, take a step a foot to the left or right and I can walk past you.”

Chandler: “Just let me pass, please.”

Bobby Cody: But she wouldn’t let me pass, and so I got very upset with her and I was like, “This is what I think of the knights,” and I dumped my absinthe, poured it out. But right there, and then I walked around them. Now there’s going to be repercussions because of that. And that happened there. That just happened in the moment.

Chandler: An amazing live performance.

Bobby Cody: And so me and Brynn now have to think about what does that mean. And then we talk with the writers and stuff. It was like, “Well, here’s what we think it kind of means. What do you guys think?” And they usually go, “Ooh.” They love any kinds of crazy stuff.

Chandler: Because of how difficult and all encompassing it really is, you guys probably live, drink, breathe Evermore all the time.

Bobby Cody: It feels like it.

Chandler: That has to be at least some sort of [crosstalk 00:59:40]

Bobby Cody: It’s pretty annoying to our friends and family, I think.

Chandler: We have a history as part of that as well, just being obsessed with it and being fans. Skyler and I work together, and everyone at our work knows about Evermore and talks about it, or makes fun of us of how often we talk about it and yell about it in the-

Bobby Cody: But yet probably most of them have never been. Is that one of those things?

Chandler: We have successfully gotten one or two people and we’re planning on bringing a whole bunch of them.

Bobby Cody: It’s one of those weird things. You get really excited about it and then … I got super excited about it during Lore and invited a whole bunch of my friends, my gaming group. I was like, “Oh man.” Some of them used to LARP, some of them have played tabletop. We’ve been playing D&D forever, Pathfinder specifically. And then they came to the park and they had the worst experience that they could have. So bad that they refused to ever come back, and so it was like, how do we save them? I even tried, “Oh, it was just in a different place at this time. We were trying … That was a night with a different cast.” That was the final night of Lore, and so they waited until the end to come. Then luckily one of them said, “No, I’m going to give it another chance,” and now she’s crazy obsessed.

Chandler: And we see her all the time and quite enjoy her friendship.

Bobby Cody: I know, I know.

Chandler: Going back a tiny bit … I have so many …

Bobby Cody: No, you’re fine.

Chandler: … venues that I want to explore.

Bobby Cody: We’re running out of town. I don’t know what happened.

Chandler: Sadly. Just going back as far as the interactions with the World Walkers. How do you choose how much information to give them? You have so much information that you have on your character, on the whole story, and they may have asked a question that has either a lot to do with that portion that you have or none at all. How do you choose how much information and what information to give them?

Bobby Cody: Carefully. It’s like a tightrope in a lot of ways every night. This is part of the reason, I think, why the writers don’t reveal a lot of plot to us, and so that’s why they do these, like, “Okay, you get 15 minutes before the show, we’re going to drop a bomb on you of what you’ve got to accomplish tonight. Good luck,” and they shove us out the door. In Lore, a lot of us knew the overall arching story for the season, and there’s some things that we call red level, and there were some red level things that were out in the park within the first week. And so we were like, “No, no, no, no, no.” And then it’s easy to track it down, and so you find out who the culprits are and then you start realizing that, “Oh, we have to be very, very careful with this.”

Bobby Cody: In Aurora, it wasn’t as bad because they had just a handful of actors who even were showcased most of that season. Whereas now for Mythos, I think limiting us, a lot of what we know about where things are going and how it’s getting there helps a lot. But it’s also super frustrating to the actors because they’re just like, “I just want to know.” And it’s like, “We all do,” but again it goes back to that discovery is … Part of it is, no, our characters have to learn it, and so that’s … While we’re in park, you really have to learn it. And if you’re stuck with a dragon attached to your arm or if you’re stuck over in archery or in a tent doing tarot readings, you have to use World Walkers to go and get this information, and World Walkers are not entirely reliable. Which is the best.

Chandler: What?

Bobby Cody: Which I love. It’s like the greatest game of Grapevine. It’s so insane. It’s like I tell one person one thing and then by the end of the night, it is blown to this epic proportion of, like, “I just wanted to make sure and check if they were okay and if they wanted anything to drink. Somehow it turned into I wanted them dead and I bought a vial of poison from Rooster.”

Chandler: The worst game of Telephone ever. But, I mean, we’ve heard so many times that a lot of people think that it has to do with the question that they ask.

Bobby Cody: This is true.

Chandler: Like a key phrase that will unlock it. Is that true? I mean …

Bobby Cody: Maybe for some actors. I mean, the actors kind of get to dictate how they want to disperse that information. If you ask the right questions in a sense, I will begin kind of unraveling a little more. But then when you get very specific, that may shut me down. I’ll be like, “You’re not ready for that.” But yeah, it’s such a fine line. It’s so difficult because I know a lot, and it’s harder for me now being part of the writing team, of limiting. It’s like, “Oh my gosh.” We were even talking about Aurora today, and so it was just so far ahead. And again, no one knows. You’re charting your course, and how we get there, well, the World Walkers will determine that. We’re just trying to make sure it steers kind of.

Chandler: That we get there eventually.

Bobby Cody: Kind of close, yeah. I don’t know, and it’s also just fun. I mean, it depends. Some people just want to blurt everything out. But I think we’re in this day and age where it’s this whole immediate gratification and everything. It’s not rewarding, and so when you have to really spend some time and work to get that information … I’ve even heard other World Walkers, it’s like, “I’ve worked for two weeks to get this information. I’m not about let this one-night World Walker come up and take all of the information that I’ve been gathering.”

Chandler: We’ve felt that, where it’s like-

Bobby Cody: You’re protective over it.

Chandler: Yeah. We’re like, “No, this is ours. We had to do so much for this.”

Wyatt: We’ve been invited in this circle. You are not a part. Why don’t you get out of here.

Bobby Cody: Yeah, just wait your turn. Yeah.

Chandler: Right. Which is something we’ve talked about here on the podcast before. It’s definitely social etiquette stuff, and also not knowing exactly how to do Evermore right. That’s something that we constantly are like, “No, this is how it’s done,” or, “These are particular points that we need to [crosstalk 01:06:35]”

Bobby Cody: Well it’s great because as World Walkers, you kind of make your own rules.

Chandler: Yeah. I suppose that’s true. Yeah, I’ve never thought about that.

Bobby Cody: Because there’s some that are wallflowers. Absolutely. They’re just there. “I just want to observe. I’m going to go to the bird show, reptile show, stare at the pretty stuff, and yeah, there we go. 30 minutes, that’s my night.” Then you’ve got your first timers and your casuals, like, “I’m here for the kids. I’m just going to be a boring adult but I’m going to let the kids have fun time.” And then of course, then there’s what I would say is kind of the next level, which are like, “Oh, let’s go do an adventure. Let’s go find out what these guilds are about.” And then there’s the hardcore where it’s just like, “No, that answer is not good enough. There is something deeper at work.” And they start to see each layer. And again, what you put in is what you get out. Where it’s like, “Wait, they changed the color of the blinds in that building. What does that mean?”

Chandler: This is our group. This is what we do.

Bobby Cody: It can get crazy like that. I think that’s fun, though. To me, that’s the way … I’m kind of a wallflower. I think I heard Skyler talk about it before where he was talking about how initially he kind of let you guys do a lot of the socializing and he just kind of watched and observed. But there’s so much in that watching and observing where you’re able to read them. You’re able to see the shifts in the eyes of the actors, you’re able to see that little lump in their throat when they’re trying to lie to you. That you may not catch in that moment, it’s … I love it.

Wyatt: And it really does speak to the actors that they have that ability to telegraph those things. We said it time and time again. The actors at Evermore really know what they’re doing. They can give specific cues with their body language …

Bobby Cody: Amazing cast.

Wyatt: … with their eye movement, with everything they’ve got. They’re really incredible.

Bobby Cody: Just a phenomenal cast. And this season, too, I absolutely give big props to everyone this season because the actors from Mythos are just phenomenal. I just pray that all of them will carry over to Lore because it’s just superb, the talent that’s … Even first season was good, but you had a couple of those … Like I did a haunt. It’s like, I don’t mean to say this, but you’re not a real actor. You’re a jump scare. And there’s a different level.

Chandler: Right. There’s different levels there.

Bobby Cody: Yeah, absolutely. And then we’ve got high schoolers who are just starting out. We’ve got early college people. There’s a few who are very seasoned in the cast and a lot of people mainly film on certain ends, and then there’s a lot of theater people, too. But no one’s ever really … I mean, this is new for all of us.

Chandler: And just as we wrap up here, I want to go into that to let all of our listeners know that this is a new thing for everyone. So if you are interested in auditioning and coming to Evermore, that’s something that you can learn. And I’m sure Bobby and some of the others that have been there forever can help you out especially.

Bobby Cody: Absolutely. Yeah.

Chandler: And Bobby-

Bobby Cody: I think we have auditions coming up real soon.

Chandler: Yeah, I was just going to ask that. We haven’t seen anything, and obviously if this is something you can’t share, don’t. But-

Bobby Cody: I don’t know if there’s a date that’s been released yet, but I anticipate probably within the next couple weeks there’ll be … at most the next couple weeks … there’ll be something posted looking for new talent for the Lore season.

Chandler: Perfect. So watch out for that …

Bobby Cody: Come and audition.

Chandler: … I’m sure all over social media and everything, that’ll be blasted everywhere. That you can come and enjoy the park as an actor and as a World Walker, right? Get into the park and really engage, as you said, Bobby. I love that. Thank you so much for being on our little show.

Bobby Cody: Oh, I loved it.

Chandler: Thank you.

Wyatt: So, so appreciate it.

Bobby Cody: Mad love to you guys. I love what you do. I just love the enthusiasm, too. It’s great to know that there’s people out there that do appreciate all of the subtle craziness that we do at Evermore.

Chandler: So much more than you have even heard. This podcast came-

Wyatt: Probably more than you could ever know.

Chandler: This podcast came because we would just stay after hours there at the park or at our homes and just geek out about amazing actors, interactions, everything.

Wyatt: Everything about it.

Bobby Cody: We in Evermore pretty much do the same thing every night, too. So when we go back to studio, we’re just sharing our stories of the evening, talking about guests that kind of stood out to us, and just kind of geeking out. So it’s really, really fun.

Chandler: So did you hear that everyone? They’re talking about you.

Bobby Cody: Yeah. We love the World Walkers.

Wyatt: Just nerds loving nerds. That’s all it is.

Bobby Cody: Yeah, exactly.

Wyatt: That’s what it comes down to.

Bobby Cody: It’s all nerd love.

Wyatt: It’s all nerd love.

Chandler: Well, perfect. Bobby, did you have anything else that you wanted to add or spread awareness of, or anything in general?

Bobby Cody: No. Just come to Evermore please. It’s an amazing thing that we’re trying to do here. I’ve kind of prided myself for the past 10 years of kind of doing what we would call maybe more avant-garde kind of theater and avant-garde kind of performances. What I feel that Evermore is doing is taking it to a whole other level, which I think would be … It’s perfect for this day and age and our society where we’re kind of socially separating ourselves. I think Evermore kind of brings us together. And that’s one of my favorite things I was going to comment, too, on, was yeah, you want to covet that information you worked so hard for, but one of my favorite things is when I see groups banding together and sharing their information. They’re like, “Oh, this is what we got,” and then before you know it, you got these little detective groups running around like, “You guys go to the mausoleum and get this and we’re going to the burrows to find out the truth about this.”

Bobby Cody: It’s brilliant. And you were all strangers an hour before coming into the park, and then within that time, it’s amazing how many people have bonded. And now, even through social media. It’s just growing and growing and growing, this little family of World Walkers.

Chandler: Yeah. We have met some really good friends that we trust with our information, and we are grateful because especially during Mythos, there’s so much information out there that we can’t all do it alone. So yes, I love that as well. As we’ve made friends that we have been getting information and meeting awesome people around the [crosstalk 01:13:17].

Bobby Cody: Yeah, the community for this is amazing. It’s not a toxic community or anything like those things you worry about, like, “Oh, I really like this game but the community is terrible.” I love the Everfolk community that’s tied around Evermore, and so I hope it keeps growing.

Wyatt: Yeah, we do, too.

Chandler: Definitely, we do as well.

Wyatt: We just want to thank you guys for listening to our episode and all the love that you’ve given us. We appreciate your feedback and are always listening to what you’ve got to say.

Chandler: Thank you again so much to Bobby here with us for joining us. And thank you for listening and for going to Evermore. We really appreciate everything that they have done and create for us to explore and to experience there.

Wyatt: We invite you to follow the park at and also on their Instagram @EvermorePark or @EvermoreCreativeStudio.

Chandler: You can follow us at our handle, @WorldTalkers. You can find us on Facebook and Instagram with that handle.

Wyatt: We invite you to call in at our number, 801-332-9321. Leave us a message and talk to us about what you guys think about the current story or about any questions that you might have.

Chandler: You can also email us at [email protected] We’ve got some great comments that are coming up that we are going to share from all over. People are coming from all over the world and sharing their experiences with us, so thank you so very much for that. Email us there.

Wyatt: And finally, leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to. It’s super important for podcasts like us to help and grow and expand, and especially tell the good news of Evermore to all the ends of the world.

Chandler: And as we sign off here, we just want to once again thank you so much, Bobby.

Bobby Cody: Of course, of course.

Wyatt: Thank you so much.

Bobby Cody: Thank you guys. This was awesome.

Chandler: It’s been a lot of fun and we’ve learned a lot, and we are really excited to use what we’ve learned the next time we go beyond the portal.

Bobby Cody: … beyond the portal.

Wyatt: … beyond the portal.

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  1. I loved this episode of World Talkers! It was so fascinating to see Bobby’s experience behind the scenes. I came to Evermore for my first time during Lore 2019, but I keep hearing about Bobby’s amazing performances from people. I wish I had seen it!